Panasonic PV70

NFCDS · Post by **NFCDS** » September 14th, 2007, 10:39 am

Joe-Fagundes wrote:Fui à Worten e estava lado a lado um Samsung 40M87 (1799€) e um Plasma LG 42PC51 (999€) ambos alimentados por HDMI de um leitor BR da samsung ligado a um HDMI switcher e o LG tinha melhor imagem, era uma imagem mais natural e menos artificial, se bem que um pouco mais escura que o Samsung que tinha uma imagem mais brilhante. Pedi para ligarem o leitor directamente ao Pana 42PV70 e foi o que teve a melhor imagem dos 3, não sei se foi por ter o leitor ligado directamente e não através de um HDMI switcher mas a imagem estava muito boa, muito natural e sem artificialismos, quer o LG quer o PAna fazem 1080p processing e o Sam é Full HD. Alguem conhece este LG? Para o preço ser este não deve ser grande pistola.

Mas não viste o plasma Samsung **Q91HDX ?

A questão dos plasmas aceitarem 1080p em display´s HDready é um pouco falaciosa... é mais marketing que outra coisa

Não te esqueces que esses dislpay´s fazem sempre o downscaling para a sua resolução natural, quer com fontes 1080p quer com 1080i.

Joe-Fagundes · Post by **Joe-Fagundes** » September 14th, 2007, 11:10 am

NFCDS wrote:
Joe-Fagundes wrote:Fui à Worten e estava lado a lado um Samsung 40M87 (1799€) e um Plasma LG 42PC51 (999€) ambos alimentados por HDMI de um leitor BR da samsung ligado a um HDMI switcher e o LG tinha melhor imagem, era uma imagem mais natural e menos artificial, se bem que um pouco mais escura que o Samsung que tinha uma imagem mais brilhante. Pedi para ligarem o leitor directamente ao Pana 42PV70 e foi o que teve a melhor imagem dos 3, não sei se foi por ter o leitor ligado directamente e não através de um HDMI switcher mas a imagem estava muito boa, muito natural e sem artificialismos, quer o LG quer o PAna fazem 1080p processing e o Sam é Full HD. Alguem conhece este LG? Para o preço ser este não deve ser grande pistola.
Mas não viste o plasma Samsung **Q91HDX ?

A questão dos plasmas aceitarem 1080p em display´s HDready é um pouco falaciosa... é mais marketing que outra coisa

Não te esqueces que esses dislpay´s fazem sempre o downscaling para a sua resolução natural, quer com fontes 1080p quer com 1080i.

Eu sei disso, não tinha lá esse Samsung, a dois mts de distancia o que tinha melhor imagem em BR era o Pana

Malick · Post by **Malick** » September 14th, 2007, 12:02 pm

Regra de OURO: NUNCA, MAS NUNCA avaliem um display pela imagem que ele está a dar numa grande superfície! Leiam as reviews, investiguem características, procurem nos forums e decidam! Grandes superfícies só para ver o tamanho do Lcd/plasma e se é bonito ou feio.

Joe-Fagundes · Post by **Joe-Fagundes** » September 14th, 2007, 12:42 pm

When I arrived he had a huge smile on his face and was itching to tell me something. He greeted me with the following; "We have been playing with this panel all day and I can honestly say that we have never seen anything like it for the price, it is gobsmackingly good. If I were honest I would say it was as good, if not better, than some of the more expensive Pioneers!!!!" Suffice to say that kind of set the tone, and I wasn't to be dissapointed!

We walked into the demo rooom and first he had it rigged through nothing but an ariel, and I was gobsmacked! After spending weeks and weeks and weeks comparing screens, NOTHING has looked that good in SD, it looks pretty much flawless. Yes there was a bit of fluffing, but it was a billion times better than ANY LCD I have seen, including Sony 100hz motionflow panels.

Secondly he switched it to a £150 Onkyo upscaling DVD player... my jaw dropped further! It was like watching Blueray on an LCD! honestly it was THAT good...

Then for it's masterpiece he switched it to a Pioneer BluRay player (so this was the screen in it's full 1080p mode), where he demonstrated the 'chase' scene(the one that goes onto the crane) in Casino Royale, and that was me sold! Aboslutely flawless motion, and even up right close it was near perfect. Any imperfections were on the film itself. I have seen no LCD that could come remotely close to it, and neither have they.

Por esta review penso que preciso de ver uma PZ70 ao vivo, alguem sabe quanto custam cá? è full HD e aceita sinais 24p

NFCDS · Post by **NFCDS** » September 14th, 2007, 1:03 pm

In-fidelidades (Almada), cerca de 2200€ (42").

Joe-Fagundes · Post by **Joe-Fagundes** » September 14th, 2007, 2:34 pm

Não confundir com o PZ700 que pelso vistos é de qualidade inferior, aqui está a 1600€ http://www.electroprecio.com/Plasma-42- ... Path=37_46

Oscar Rocha · Post by **Oscar Rocha** » September 14th, 2007, 3:03 pm

Joe-Fagundes wrote:
Por esta review penso que preciso de ver uma PZ70 ao vivo, alguem sabe quanto custam cá? è full HD e aceita sinais 24p

Não existem nenhum panasonic que aceite 1080p24 está errada essa info.

Joe-Fagundes · Post by **Joe-Fagundes** » September 14th, 2007, 4:11 pm

Mais uma review da PZ70

I posted on Friday that after much research, demo's, visting shops, reading reviews, more research and finally staying at a friends house who has the PX70, that I had decided to get the TH42PZ70 Full 1080p model. I ordered the TV at 11:00 hrs on Friday and it was delivered same day at 2pm by Multiregion magic in Peterborough. Quality service.

At 3pm I had finished installing the pedestal and had wired it up to my amp and PS3 and Sky HD box. The large box was placed in my garage out of the way. It was now almost time for the grand premiere.

The first thing I did was check out the TV itself. Its big and its solid. It has the four fans of the pz700 on the back. It has a slot for the top up tv and on the side panel, it has an SDcard slot too. The piano black frame is a work of art and the side speakers are hardly noticeable. It truly is a beautiful TV.

The first thing I did was switch it on and it imediately went into auto setup mode and began tuning the freeview channels in.
After about 3 minutes it was finished. I decided to check out 5 or six freeview channels first. I am not kidding, I may be lucky, but they were clearer and more detailed than mt flat screen HD samsung CRT upstairs with the same arial. I was gobsmacked in all honesty. Fanrastic and better than expected picture.
Next I switched on my sky box. Sky is output at 1080i and again, this panel displays it natively and spot on, no down or upscaling. Connected to HDMI 1, even better picture this time. Really clear. My god what was HD going to look like?

I put on the BBC HD preview which happened to be showing a preview of "mountain".................... amazing clarity and much better than I expected. My friends px70 was good, but not this good. I was extatic with praise for this picture. Over the weekend I have watched approx 36 hrs of various TV and movies and I am gobsmacked at the pristine picture that this set shows. Football on normal Sky sports was excellent and better than my CRT, but on Skysports 1 HD, it was truly amazing. Crystal clear, no smearing, no delay, no artifacts. It was like looking through a window on the top stand. My wife was amazed too. She really likes the set. Even watching Corra on ITV amazed her with its seemingly upscaled superb picture.

I also tried a few normal DVD movies on my PS3 Blu-ray player, and these were set to be upscaled to 1080p. I didn't expect too much, but yet again I was shocked. I watched The Chronicles of Riddick and the quality was fantastic too. Superb colours and face detail like I have never seen.

Finally the icing on the cake. I only have three Blu Ray movies, Casino Royal, The Fantastic Four and the Patriot. WOW True 1080p (output from ps3 at 24, but could not tell the difference anyway)
Double WOW

Watched all three movies right through. The detail is amazing. The picture quality of this set is fantastic. I have seen demos from lesser plasmas and inferior LCDs, but none have come close to this. The Patriot is one my favourite action films and this has has elevated it higher. Casino Royale was pixel perfect..............I mean absolutely pixel perfect with 1-1 mapping. The fantastic four is a joyous experience too in Blu Ray. Again, the special effects are truly special on this PZ70. The speakers are not detachable, but who cares? The sound is pretty good and quite powerful for TV watching. I just put the sounds through my amp for movies though.

All this is set at Cinema mode too, running it this way for 200 hrs. I quickly experimented with the other settings for ten minutes and could see that the best is yet to come.

This TV is a steal. It makes Full 1080p LCDs look like old CRTs And it makes my friends PX70 feel old tech somehow. He came round to my house last night and admitted he was envious at the increased clarity at 1080p.

I am so glad I waited and held off the PX70 to get the PZ70, it truly is a new wave of TV in an affordable bracket. I would not listen to anybody who tells me that you cannot see the difference between a plasma downscaling a blu ray movie to 1024x720 or a plasma set showing it at 1-1 pixel perfect at between 4-10 feet away. The difference is night and day to me.

You have to ask yourself, do you pay 899 quid for low res or the extra 200 quid or less for full 1080p? I asked my self that question, and came up with the fact that that 200 quid extra is the best money I have ever spent.

Its up to you guys now. I am no expert, I trust what I can see, what I can determine and reputations. Panasonic have done a wonderful job with this TV and I see no future for the lower rez screens. All of the above is my opinion.

I hope this helps others in making their mind up. This TV came at just the right time for me, another week later and I would have ended up with a px70 I think. (not a bad thing though).

I reckon I have to run it in for about another 3 weeks at my current viewing rate and being in work is really spoiling that for me right now..................guess I'll have to put some leave in.

DyingSun · Post by **DyingSun** » September 14th, 2007, 5:42 pm

€1450 é o preço do de 42'' na Belmiro.

Nazas · Post by **Nazas** » September 14th, 2007, 9:49 pm

Joe-Fagundes wrote:Não confundir com o PZ700 que pelso vistos é de qualidade inferior, aqui está a 1600€ http://www.electroprecio.com/Plasma-42- ... Path=37_46

O PZ700 é o topo, o PZ70 fica entre o PZ700 e o PX70.

Li algures (ainda não reencontrei o link), que o PZ70 tem o mesmo painel que o PZ700, mas conseguiram aumentar a taxa de contraste. O PZ70 também tem menos conectividade e algumas funções que PZ700.

Nazas · Post by **Nazas** » September 14th, 2007, 9:52 pm

Nazas wrote:
Joe-Fagundes wrote:Não confundir com o PZ700 que pelso vistos é de qualidade inferior, aqui está a 1600€ http://www.electroprecio.com/Plasma-42- ... Path=37_46
O PZ700 é o topo, o PZ70 fica entre o PZ700 e o PX70.

Li algures (ainda não reencontrei o link), que o PZ70 tem o mesmo painel que o PZ700, mas conseguiram aumentar a taxa de contraste. O PZ70 também tem menos conectividade e algumas funções que PZ700.

Edit:

Já encontrei:
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pmladeira · Post by **pmladeira** » September 18th, 2007, 11:41 pm

Oscar Rocha wrote:
Joe-Fagundes wrote: Por esta review penso que preciso de ver uma PZ70 ao vivo, alguem sabe quanto custam cá? è full HD e aceita sinais 24p
Não existem nenhum panasonic que aceite 1080p24 está errada essa info.

Olha que existe.....
Retirado de um tópico do AVForums:

Mercury · Post by **Mercury** » September 27th, 2007, 11:02 pm

Tenho um TH-42PV70F á cerca de 6 meses e estou muito satisfeito com. Precisava da vossa ajuda para chegar a configuração ideal para ele. Procurei na Net mas não encontrei nada sobre isso. Alguem pode ajudar ?
Fiquem bem.

alexiz · Post by **alexiz** » September 29th, 2007, 8:22 pm

A quem tem o pv70,peco uma ajuda

Eu vi na fnac esse palsma a transmitir a rtp 1,e a imagem era fraquinha,talvez o sinal não foçe grande coisa!
No vosso caso,a imagem analogica,por cabo ou antena é boa?Em dvd tambem?
Agradecia as vossas respostas,pois tbm quero adquerir um.

Obrigado

Joe-Fagundes · Post by **Joe-Fagundes** » October 11th, 2007, 12:17 am

Alguem sabe qual é a loja com o melhor preço para este plasma na zona de Braga/Guimarães, na MM está a partir de amanha a 1399€.

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